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Saturday, June 12, 2021

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jessica murray

1 week ago

that said, let's talk about israel and the evangelicals. let's understand this...

jessica murray

1 week ago

what it says in the christian bible - the revelation, which was written in greek, rather than aramaic - is that israel will be destroyed from the east. i always laugh at these christians that think russia means the east; in fact, russia is to the west of israel. rather, everybody living in israel at the time would have known that the east meant the persians, the ancestors of today's iranians.

jessica murray

1 week ago

so, what do the evangelicals actually want? do they want to support israel as a colonial state and have it take over the region and bomb the iranians? i mean, you could naively assign that to the generals (although larry aptly described why that's wrong), but what about the evangelicals, who you couldn't even get to vote at all until reagan?

jessica murray

1 week ago

what the evangelicals actually want is the second coming, the return of jesus, who will separate the worthy from the damned on judgement day. and, in order for that to happen, the temple must be destroyed, by the beast from the east. which is iran.

jessica murray

1 week ago

so, this idea of evangelical support for israel is sort of a double-edged sword, like jesus' wacky tongue, in the psychedelic visions that describe the prophecies - they want to ensure israel exists....so it can be destroyed. and, by who? by iran.

Digital Communist

14 hours ago

@jessica murray basically they want Armageddon to come , on the plains of Meggido and all that jazz so Jesus will some again and lead righteous ones to heavenly gardens… Funny thing is they are all basically anti semites of the worst kind. If you ask them if Jews will be taken to heaven , since Jesus showed on this plane as Jew, they will tell you ( as long as you are not TV, journo etc) they will all convert …. Lmao.

jessica murray

9 hours ago (edited)

@Digital Communist these weird contradictions are pretty standard in europeanized interpretations of christianity, and it's partly because it was never an organic thing in that part of the world. the original christians were, of course jews, themselves. but, the parts of the world where christianity was an actual thing on the ground were egypt and syria, not western europe. in europe, christianity came in via imperialism, feudalism and violent conquest - and was never really successful in converting substantial portions of normal people. so, there was this motif in the middle ages about the jews killing jesus, which is the central point of the religion - christianity is incoherent without the crucifixion, but that doesn't matter in the westernized versions, because it was never anything besides a tool of domination. i'm not going to go down the rabbit hole on this and accuse the british of doing this as a means of control, but it does serve that purpose, still, even today. so long as people think jesus is coming back any day, they're apt to be less concerned about materialist conditions in their physical lives.

Digital Communist

8 hours ago

@jessica murray British came late into whole jesus game, nor it was basis of their imperial conquest. Theirs was commercial imperialism , even from the early days their ruling class held fairly cynical view . Sprinkled with racial theories of the era , Darwin and all that… Various imperial Chinese dynastic eras are similar in approach…On the other hand , Portuguese, Spanish, Arabs ( yes Islam is unreformed Old Testament religion) really did it in high gear , lmao.

jessica murray

32 minutes ago (edited)

and, it's of course worth pointing out that the spanish and arabs were both mostly looking for gold, even if they were directed by their respective religious overlords in their journeys to do so. the religion was central to most of their atrocities, as it formed the justification for them. but, from the time the arabs headed across the desert to the time the spaniards crossed the atlantic, they were always looking for gold....

jessica murray

30 minutes ago

@Digital Communist google is filtering this, so i'm going to post it in little bits to figure it out.

jessica murray

21 minutes ago

@Digital Communist it seemed to post in chunks, but then deleted again when in one piece, so let's try this sequentially. google doesn't tell you what the filters are, so you have to experiment...

jessica murray

13 minutes ago

@Digital Communist this isn't working, suggesting it might be being deleted by a live person, rather than filtered by a computer. ok, let me give it some time, then.

jessica murray

13 minutes ago (edited)

@Digital Communist yeah, it's sort of a half-truth. the british have always been weird. it's true that the british people never embraced christianity the way they did in italy or france, but the british aristocracy was perhaps the most cynical of the bunch. so, it's true that the british were a commercial power, but what that means is that their use of religion as a control mechanism was always starkly cynical, not that it wasn't there. when the puritans left britain, a big part of the reason is that they thought the british state was horribly corrupt - but the fact that they existed in britain is a consequence of the tactics of control used by the state, which created them in the first place.

jessica murray

12 minutes ago (edited)

( to use a twisted metaphor, it's like god's creations realizing how sadistic their creator was. as mentioned, i don't think that this idea that zionism was invented to control british christians is actually true - but it might as well have been, and it's the kind of thing that people in the future might decide is obvious, in the absence of sufficient source material.)...