deathtokoalas
you're telling me there's zero soy in your meat products?

if so, then why not? sounds like a smart way to reduce costs to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJoMzhStPNk

McDonald's
Hey. Farmers feed livestock grains like corn & soybeans, and over 90% of the U.S. corn and soybean crops are GMO.

deathtokoalas
yeah. and i'm not really opposed to gmo crops in principle. i understand that roundup is a less toxic approach than the other economically viable options, and i don't see any chemical reason why our bodies would react differently to meat that is raised with gmos vs meat that is not. the cow is not going to digest the corn differently, and we're not going to digest the cow differently. neither the cow's stomach chemistry nor our own is sophisticated enough to differentiate between one strand of dna or another. it's all broken down to it's building blocks the same way.

but, that's not really my question. there are a lot of economic, environmental and even health reasons why filling your burgers with 30-50% soy would be a step forwards. why don't you do this? if i were you, i sure would...

it's not like your customer base really cares.

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deathtokoalas
you really think the average mcdonalds consumer honestly cares if there's soy in the burgers?

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deathtokoalas
but, are the people that post all this stuff actually mcdonalds customers? and, i mean, they're the same people that don't vaccinate their kids because they think it's a government plot to make us compliant. they're crazy people.

i'd think the average mcdonald's consumer would be more like "meh. this pink slime tastes pretty good. ", and isn't going to react much differently to news of soy in the burgers.

and, given all the benefits, i think that produces a strong case for switching.

so, i'm considering starting a petition to put soy in mcdonald's burgers. post your support here if you agree with me.

Marty Mac
No, because we live in America, and America loves MEAT. McD's has been marketing 100% beef for a long time and that has helped to make them numero uno on this planet. To do anything different, to satisfy a few vegetarians, would be tantamount to suicide.

deathtokoalas 
again, i don't really think that's true. i think your average mcdonald's customer would eat a moldy sock if it came with special sauce.

Marty Mac
Why do you think that? That may be true of kids because of their Happy Meals and kids just like fun things, but adults? No, I don't eat much at McD's for their hamburgers, but a lot of people do. My wife loves their quarter pounder with cheese and my sister is a McNugget fiend! I know that most people in this country would abandon them in a minute if they weren't using 100% beef in their burgers because we want value for our money and soy is not a good value.

deathtokoalas
the whole argument is that soy is better value than hamburger on virtually any metric.

mcdonalds' success has been largely driven by it's prices and convenience, not the quality or even the nature of it's food. we tend to take the first thing that is available to us, rather than shop around for what we actually want. that is, few of us have any real attachment to this watered down concept of democratic freedom that we've attached to "market choice". we eat what we can, when we can. because we're animals that react on impulse, not gods that behave rationally.

the only way to find out is to try an experiment. but i think the results are obvious...

it's not really that i'm irresponsible.

i mean, i am. i can't really argue.

but it's really more that i avoid responsibility, so i don't have to be irresponsible - partly because i know i'm really not overly irresponsible, when forced to not be.

i mean, have you thought about all the conditioning that goes into this? if people actually desired responsibility, we wouldn't need to drill it into kids as they grow up. it's a type of socially enforced brainwashing, and it's arguably necessary to uphold the status quo.

but, if you don't like the status quo, it's collapse is not frightening to you and these arguments about the breakdown of society sound more like a goal than a disaster.

so, if you acknowledge that people don't really desire responsibilities, is it not rational to avoid them?