i haven't dated for a while, but, last i checked, insisting on splitting the bills was actually considered feminist - and girls that insisted that they didn't have to pay their way were seen as out of touch. i don't know. maybe i'm stuck in the 90s. but this strikes me as an elaborate straw man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Qf42GrHlU

as a feminist, i would consider the premise that women should get free meals on dates to be backwards and patriarchal - and i'd consider dudes raging against the arrangement to be allies.

i don't know how or when expecting to be taken care of became a feminist position. frankly, i don't think it ever did. again: this is really a straw man.

it's the great irony: most mra's are really just male feminists, without realizing it. there's a few that are legit misogynists. but, most of them don't hate women, they hate patriarchy. they just can't realize it.

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jessica
no feminist would make any of these arguments. these arguments are not feminist at all. what these arguments are is patriarchal.

you wouldn't even get your average third waver in the door on a ladies night like that. they'd be the first to stand up and argue that ladies night is beyond-the-pale sexist.

the woman in this video is not a feminist.