the liberals think they lost the last two elections because they were too left wing, which is a false analysis. i'm actually skeptical of the election results; i think there was massive fraud. yet, to the extent that the conservatives did swing some votes in the last two elections, it had to do with (1) doug ford being popular amongst immigrant communities because immigrant voters tend to like aggressive male politicians, which is the antithesis of the liberal party at almost every level of government and (2) the liberals not being left-wing enough, and bleeding both working class and over-educated voters to the ndp, who offered a more convincing left of centre vision.

i think this is all very frustrating because i actually supported the mcguinty-wynne government as they passed a lot of very good bills. i have not supported the trudeau government because they keep passing horrible legislation. yet, the quality of legislation being debated is not a primary election issue for a large percentage of voters.

i couldn't vote for the last guy; i thought he was awful, and he didn't even win his seat, which is something i predicted the day he was elected leader of the party.  mimicking stephen harper is not going to win the liberal party of ontario any votes.

the liberals are going to have to acknowledge that the demographic changes in ontario over the last 20 years have placed them as the least favoured party amongst a large plurality of new voters who want charismatic and dominant male leaders and are going to have to adjust to that. bonnie crombie's angle is that she can dominate the ndp and the liberals are going to have to understand that they are fighting an election against the left, where there are voters they can swing, and not against the populist middle, which is currently out of their reach.

the rule in the west is that the kids of the immigrants conform, and the liberals may have better luck with second-generation canadians than first-generation canadians, as soon as they exist and can vote. however, they type of migrants moving to canada in recent decades is dramatically different than the type that came here decades ago, and that might be a false projection. we'll have to see.

for right now, the liberals need to be focused on trying to swing new democrats and if they don't realize that then they're going to get squeezed and scrunched and may in the end just end up merging with the conservatives.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/ontario-liberals-propose-tax-credit-for-childrens-sports-after-school-activities/article_1746162a-e640-11ee-9044-ef20edb861c2.html