there's just a lot of lingering ignorance in religious communities about this, and a lot of denial about the fundamental and defining role that religion played in the historical "progressive" movements that mostly existed on the west of the continent.

the real root of the problem lies in calvinism, and it's idea that you can be born without the ability for redemption. i'm actually open to arguments that calvinism isn't even really properly categorized as christianity, because it doesn't believe in forgiveness. but, it's at the root of the problem, here, in it's arguments that you can be born lazy, and can't be reformed.