i think it's good that these kids are out there, and i do expect them to install solar panels at the residence even if it's merely cosmetic, but i wish they'd be a little more constructive. i've been in and out of protest circles in ottawa; i know a lot of those people.

you need to realize that a lot of these kids have no real memory of living with a liberal government, and they're being driven by what are essentially ndp partisans to believe that the liberals and conservatives are as identical as the democrats and republicans. they've been set up to expect a continuation of conservative policies. in their minds, nothing happened on the 19th except a change of clothes for the corporatocracy.

i'm not a partisan liberal supporter, but i'm old enough and read enough to know that this isn't reality. the liberals are a capitalist party, there's a lot of reasons to criticize them, but they represent a significant improvement - these people will not concede that point. there's a lot of overlap with the mcguinty government, which made giant progress in reducing emissions here. the actual reality is that the liberals presented a better climate change platform than the ndp did, and if it wasn't for naomi klein's family history i have to suspect she'd have seen the value in endorsing the liberals over the ndp, relative to her own proposals. when you've got stephen lewis on your panel, and avi lewis helping with promo, it should raise some eyebrows that an endorsement didn't come out of it - that the language was about being non-partisan.

shutting down the tar sands is a good, in fact necessary, idea. but it's impossible to do this tomorrow. there has to be a push for infrastructure first. four years is being optimistic - but the government should be graded on how far they've gone, at that time.

in the mean time, it's good they're out there. naive pressure is better than no pressure. i just wish they'd see the bigger picture, and protest for step one first, rather than jumping to step eight.

www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/11/09/justin-trudeau-solar-panels_n_8510962.html

Cynthia Joan Morrison
The Liberals had NO climate change platform.

jessica amber murray
see, this is what i mean. it's like arguing with a cult.

the liberal platform promises 20 billion dollars in direct investment on environmental infrastructure. that is a tried and tested left-wing policy that will actually work in addressing the structural realities around infrastructure - not an experimental market scam based on neo-conservative economic theory.

the liberals put down concrete spending changes. the ndp tossed around market theory and asked us to pray to the invisible hand for guidance. but, keep chanting those slogans, maybe god will answer your prayers.

fwiw...i know this is symbolic. but, the reality is that ontario already has a green grid thanks to mcguinty. you don't reduce emissions in swapping hydro out for solar.