i'm a secularist to my bones, and i want to see a modern democracy in the geographic space, one where everybody has equal rights. but, the whole point of the jewish state was so that what you're seeing in the orthodox community wouldn't happen. it completely undercuts the idea of israel as a jewish state - which i don't support anyways (i want it to be democratic, not jewish), but...
i mean, it's almost comical.
even israel is anti-semitic, it seems.
pat m
While AIPAC secures the support of US politicians, the pro-Zionist Scofield Bible secures the grass-root support of 50+ million US Christian Zionists. The Scofield Bible by convicted conman-turned-Pastor Scofield was published in 1909 by pro-Zionist Oxford University Press, after Scofield was befriended by leading Zionists. It was the first edition of the KJV Bible to insist that Christians must support Israel. The vast majority of Christian Zionists don't know they've been conned and Israel would lose a lot of US support if they did know. Making them aware would greatly help in the fight for justice. https://www.wrmea.org/015-october/the-scofield-bible-the-book-that-made-zionists-of-americas-evangelical-christians.html
deathtokoalas
i have no interest in this comment, whatsoever.
pat m
Driven by insatiable greed and with 800+ military installations in 140+ countries so far, the corporate-controlled US Empire's relentless agenda is total ownership and control of the world's natural, financial and human resources. This makes it the main instigator of wars and terrorism worldwide. Toppling elected governments and replacing them with puppet regimes of the US. This makes it everyone's problem. Humanity urgently needs real democracy in the corporate-controlled US.
deathtokoalas
we might have a bot here, folks. whaddya up to, pat?
pat m
In Israel bribery is a crime, fraud is a crime but slaughtering entire families with warplanes on, Gaza etc., is an accepted norm. The brutal Israeli apartheid regime breaks international laws with impunity because it's funded by the U.S. and supported by puppet states of the U.S. like the U.K. etc. Mutual backscratching between the Israeli expansionist agenda and relentless corporate-controlled US empire-building. Many Jews rightly condemn Zionism as a political movement which uses Judaism as a front. BDS!
deathtokoalas
i see. you think i'm a zionist, apparently. you're trying to drown me out. you were perhaps even sent by mr 1% banker elitist dmitri lascaris, himself.
see, this is what happens when you binarize everything - you turn your intellectual opponents into enemies.
listen - i'm very much a post-nationalist secularist, meaning i reject nation-based states all around. i neither want a jewish state, nor a palestinian one. imagine there's no countries....and no religion, too.
but, fwiw, i actually think that calling the situation an apartheid is too timid, and serves to distract from the genocide occurring.
apartheid is an economic relationship between a dominant group and an enslaved one, where the enslaved people exist apart from the dominant group for the purposes of their economic benefit. while the united states has actually attempted to coerce the israelis into an apartheid relationship on multiple occasions, most recently under john kerry's direction when he was secretary of state, israel has continually rejected these sorts of things. so, kerry wanted to build a factory in the region and put the palestinians to work in it (to produce goods for the dominant israelis), but the israelis would have none of it. rather, the israelis just want them gone, altogether.
while genocide and apartheid are both severely unjust relationships between a dominant group and an enslaved one, there is a difference of scale - apartheid is a less severe form of brutality, as it is restricted to exploitation. genocide is a much more severe situation, as the dominant group does not even seek to maintain the enslaved one to exploit.
what is happening in israel is not apartheid, it is genocide. and, bds will do nothing to end it.
bds needs an actual apartheid, or other type of slave relationship, to actually work - the exploitation must be financial. you have to cost them money. but, this isn't about money, it's about land. the israelis aren't doing this for money and aren't going to stop if they lose some....
i'm sympathetic to the arguments i've heard about it backfiring. but, it's not even the point.
this is not going to work; it's rooted in a false understanding of the nature of the exploitation, and it doesn't make any sense.
the reason that bds worked in south africa was partly because it was about the money. it's just not true, in israel, today.