A Frequently Arrested Activist Named Kurtis
so I'm a little confused as to why you posted that and why you say what we practice to not be anarchism and why you call us right wing?

Jessica Amber Murray
there's a lot more coming, i'm going to ask you to wait for it.

A Frequently Arrested Activist Named Kurtis
I find it pretty out of the blue and I'm a little insulted to be honest if your opinion of us is that we are right wing

Jessica Amber Murray
well, you're allowed to disagree, it's just that i'm doing this slowly because it can't all come out at once so i can't really have this discussion until i clarify. i mean, you're right to ask for clarification, i think. it's coming.

A Frequently Arrested Activist Named Kurtis
ok

I don't really agree about organizing being spontaneous either

mass movements happen very spontaneously but organizing doesn't. If we wish to pull as much out of a spontaneous uprising then we have to be organized and have stuff like food, health services and other things ready for people to use during these uprisings

In the case of the quebec student movement which has had more then 1 set of strikes and have managed to gain popular interest through ground work and organizing and not spontaneity

Jessica Amber Murray
i think we could have a debate about whether the student strikes were spontaneous or organized. however, i wouldn't consider that an example of a successful action. i'd actually consider it as an example of an action that failed due to bad tactics. a successful action would have been built on refusal to pay, not refusal to attend classes. and, in the end it caved into the system and was dismantled without accomplishing anything - precisely because the organization underlying it allowed for co-option. they had a brief moment of time when they had mass support. was this spontaneous or organized? had they focused more on doing rather than demanding, they could have taken better advantage of the situation. and really the crux of what i'm saying is that doing doesn't really rely on mass support, so much as it relies on building. you could call that organizing, but i think it's sort of abusing the term.

A Frequently Arrested Activist Named Kurtis
I agree that it's success was minimal in the long run but you can't just write off the whole thing. There were many smaller successes that they had and it wouldn't be advisable to completely reinvent the wheel now would it?

Also to call the student movement a failed action is really disregarding how large the movement was. It was a movement and not a single action. It was a series of actions by a bunch of various people working toward a similar goal.

As in a war you can look at individual battles, strategies, goals, and actions and look at them on an individual basis and discuss their merit as effective or ineffective.