Sunday, March 2, 2014

deathtokoalas
this is a balanced interview worth watching.




Martti Mandel
Adding Goebbels to discussion about nazi-germany agression doesn't balance it.

deathtokoalas
well, the interviewer seemed to have a pro-western agenda. she was not balanced. the rest of it was fairly refreshing, including

1) hearing a pro-ukrainian talking head acknowledge that the forces that stormed parliament cannot win an election because they do not represent the people, as well as acknowledging the threat of nationalism in the country.

2) hearing a russian diplomat clarify that ukraine is not under threat of invasion.

personally? i'm pretty knowledgeable about the general topic. i can read between the lines. but it's always nice to hear it first hand.

and i think a lot of victims of the more sensationalist coverage could benefit from watching this.

what i have to say about the situation doesn't matter. what you have to say about the situation doesn't matter. what the people in the video have to say about the situation matters.

so, stop pretending you have any idea what you're talking about, shut the fuck up and try and learn something.

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Jopdan
If Russians are really being treated poorly, where's the evidence?  Where are the russians getting beaten in the streets?

何孝倫
Well where were the evidence of Americans being beaten in the streets and treated poorly before they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

Jopdan
We're not talking about the US here. we're talking about Russia.  Stop changing the subject.  There is NO evidence that anything Russia is saying is true.

Tonttu Takeover
Neo-nazis in the nationalist side of Ukraine is a threat to russian people of Crimea? Why does that sentence sound awful lot of bulls*it to me? I think because its a presumption which lead to (way too early) actions. There truly isnt enough evidence to support this claim right now. Russians have same kind of threat inside they're own borders if we were to evaluate the situation like that, based on same kind of assumptions of armed minority groups. Assumptions amongst people lead to anger and feed the crisis even more. I think, even if the present (temporary?) government of Ukraine is improper one, it shouldnt have lead Russia to these actions, and is very poor act of foreign policy from Russia. Even just because Russia is securing they're own interests in Crimea, this kind of action will show across the globe in a negative manner towards Russia, and they will lose more than gain, in terms of foreign policy.

deathtokoalas
russia is neither claiming this is happening nor threatening to invade. rather, they are stating that they might choose to protect russian citizens should this hypothetical situation materialize.

most large states need to come up with moral justifications for their actions. what the russians are saying is that they will not allow the ukrainian state to move in the direction of the kind of extreme militarism that defined the nazi state. what putin is saying is that he will not be the neville chamberlain of the 21st century; he will act decisively to stamp out the threat before it is one.

but it's a very hypothetical situation. as mentioned in the interview, ukraine is not currently under threat of invasion.