the question is: what do the israelis plan on doing with the palestinians once they've finally taken all of their land? there's not going to be two states - there's going to be one state and one displaced people. so, what's the plan, guys? i fear the answer to this question is too ghastly to truly contemplate...
72Yonatan
Deport them back to their countries of origin in the Middle East is probably the best answer to that question. I know that this just fills you with such dread, of all those fake non-people who are really just Arabs, being sent back to Egypt, to Syria, to Jordan, to Iraq, and to Lebanon. What a horror that must be to you, when they have to leave their good jobs and beautiful mansions here in Israel - the thought of that must make you cringe. Meanwhile they are laughing at people like you behind your back, while taking in the foreign donations; laughing all the way to the bank. Most Arab taxis here are Mercedes.
deathtokoalas
well, if you ignore the obvious truths that palestine is where these people have recent roots and you'd need to go back thousands of years before records existed to figure out where some of them came from (while we're at it, maybe we should deport the jews to iran and give the region to the lebanese, who are the actual indigenous people of the region), that most of them are actually descended from converted jews and that it's very difficult to genetically distinguish between a jew and an arab in the first place....
...the reality is that the countries around them don't want them. israel has tried that repeatedly. it's not an answer. so, you need to think up something else.
skiscore
how about sending jews back to their countries. poland, russia, czech rep. afterall palestinians were there first.
deathtokoalas
palestinians and jews are the same thing, they just have (very) slightly different religious views and speak (very) slightly different languages.
the question "who was there first?" is not formed properly. the bulk of the palestinian population is composed of hebrews that converted to islam. if you wish to argue that the jews were there first (and in some sense, this is true), then the logical conclusion is that the space belongs to the palestinians - because they are the true descendants of the jews that were there first. these other diasphora jews that left and came back don't have any argument in their favour that isn't in their religious texts, which are immediately invalidated by their source.
so we don't have an "arab or jew?" question, here. we have a "converted jew or diaspora jew?" question. this is what we've learned from studying the population - that the palestinians are, in fact, hebrews. and the takeaway from it is that it exposes the real level of racist and nationalist absurdity underlying the policies of the state of israel - they're attacking their own people in the name of their own supremacism.
that's not my point. the israelis need to send more clear messaging on what they plan to do with the palestinians, because the clear deduction right now is that they basically plan on "eliminating" them and are just waiting for the right moment to do it.
skiscore
its way past clear messaging. when they message its lies anyways. what they need is messaging via actions. this will never happen. the "charter" or "purpose" of jews will not allow for it nor tolerate it. either the usa does it, or other arabs will. the mistake was made when usa and britain gave someone elses land to people hurt by a german!! thats the root cause.
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deathtokoalas
the idea that large amounts of palestinians came from egypt or iraq doesn't even make historical sense, as these were areas that were colonized by arabs at the same time as israel was.
the genetics are clear on the point - the palestinians are not arabs, not any more than the iranians or the lebanese are. they are hebrews that were converted to islam in the middle ages.
they're jews.
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deathtokoalas
well, yeah. we live in 2014, which allows us to use fancy science to tell us where people came from.
and that fancy science tells us that the palestinians are predominantly hebrew in ethnic background.
there's been some arab admixture, but it's no larger than arab admixture in iran or afghanistan.
they're jews.