Saturday, August 29, 2015

i'm not comfortable with the liberals' position on this bill - i think they should have voted against it. but, it's disingenuous to not mention that:

1) it would have passed had they voted against it, and
2) they claim that they'll follow the recommendations of the lawyers you speak of in amending it.

the liberals actually have a pretty good track record on this issue - when they pass these kinds of laws, they insist that it's a reasonable response to an imminent threat and they insert things like sunset clauses so that the increased powers run out when the imminent threat has resolved itself.

they clearly screwed this up - it's widely acknowledged that this is the primary reason the ndp are leading in the polls. but, they claim they'll change it. and their track record on this particular issue suggests you can believe them on it.

further, it's worth noting that mulcair has since moderated his position to align almost identically with trudeau's.

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/kgrandia/2015/08/why-privacy-matters-this-canadian-election

acs
Put them in power, and the Dippers will NOT repeal C-51. They may give another go at the 'lawful' language, which the Chretien Liberals also tried to sneak in, with their post-9/11 legislation. Only Freemen, right wing extremists, or some other bogeymen will replace the Islamists of Stephen Harper's narrative, if/when we have an NDP government. All three main parties advocate a corporatist managed democracy, along the likes of Singapore. Anyone who puts their faith in a new government to protect civil rights and freedoms is seriously deluded.

deathtokoalas
see, the thing is that we really have nothing to base any projections of ndp legislation on this topic on. there's no provincial legislation from either the ndp or mulcair. but, i really don't think it would look very different than the typical trudeauvian post october crisis language of limited action and sunset clauses. that's really my point - there's not an *actual* difference between the two parties on this issue, it's just a shady political ploy.