ok, miguel, but you sound like an establishment politician attacking free trade protesters. even so, i think everybody sees a certain amount of reason in presenting something coherent.

i'm still not convinced that the opposition controls the protesters. there's basically no example anywhere in history in the world where the marching masses are represented by parliament. even gandhi spent half his time arguing against the people he was trying to emancipate. i'm not exaggerating: zero examples.

as mentioned before, i'm also aware of a substantial amount of anti-government opposition on the left, which isn't being discussed by anybody at all.

so, forget about the opposition's demands, i don't care. what are the crowd's demands?

well, if they're like most crowds with a broadly anarchist bent, they'll tell you that that's not the way democracy works. people standing in a square yelling isn't democracy. it's ochlocracy. it leads to meaningless shifts in power and state repression. see egypt, ukraine. democracy is people getting together and discussing things through an assembly process. it's consequently not up to the crowds to make demands, but only up to them to incite a process of self-determination. if you want to be semantic, that means that the demand reduces to a desire for more local governance. what that means is a shift in power from representative bodies to more direct, organic ones. it's not a demand that the state do stuff, but that the state dissolve to allow the protesters the freedom to decide what stuff they want to do.

involving yourself in grassroots democracy movements will make that clear. it's commonly understood. but it's totally taboo to discuss it any kind of media at all. focusing on demands implicitly denies the possibility of any kind of actual revolution (a shift in power is not a revolution!), so that's all the media ever does. it's also exactly why you won't get an answer - to provide demands would be to reject the revolution in favour of reform.

again: i'm sure there's some nasty, reactionary forces. street protest attracts these assholes. predictably. but i really wish i could just go down and talk to some of the people on the street myself. i suspect the media spin is largely inaccurate.

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