j reacts to susan sarandon & bernie or bust logic

actually, she's absolutely right. and, if he can tear up a few trade agreements while he's inciting some riots, that's a positive. i haven't worn a shirt with a slogan in twenty years, but i'd be tempted to wear one that says this: if you think that it's pragmatic to shore up the status quo right now, you're not in touch with the status quo. and, fwiw, he's more pro-choice than her, too.

but, listen. the bernie or bust crowd is aware that trump is going to be a disaster. the point is that you vote for him because he's going to be a disaster. because people are fed up, and want the country to burn down and the society to start over again. the choice is between somebody who can ably steer the ship and somebody who is going to crash it in five minutes. yes. clearly. but, we don't want to sheer the ship. we want to crash it! so, can we realize that's the position, here, before we debate it further?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6L4NOVNoNU

BB
So basically if we can't get captain sanders who could sail this busted up ship outta the rocky waters and repair it. only other choice would be to have captain trump quickly crash the busted up ship and build a new one.

jessica
i don't like the way that's framed, though. let's begin by understanding the metaphor properly: the ship is capitalism. or existing capitalism. or whatever. it's in bad need of repairs, because it's been sailing around for years under a self-regulating regime of repairs. inspectors estimate it's on the brink of sinking.

like fdr before him, we think bernie can probably not just fix the ship's problems but also make it a little nicer. so, we're still on the ship. we're still sailing. the aim is sticking with this ship, still. let's realize that, too.

hillary is going to take this beat to shit ship and sail it around in circles for a few years. we can trust her to navigate it. but, it may flood in the process, too. we can expect that when she's done, the ship will be in worse shape than when she inherited it, simply through that many more years of use without repairs.
and, trump is going to sail right into the rocks, likely within a few minutes of taking over.

so, you're talking in fatalistic terms. i would reject that. there's not any reason why i couldn't be arguing for sailing the ship around in circles for a while and trying to fix it later, other than that i'm sick and fucking tired of sailing around on a sinking ship.

so, yes: it's reckless. it's not prudent: not moderate, not middle of the road.

not at all conservative.

kind of rash, maybe? revolutionary, perhaps? risky? a gamble?

yeah. sure.

but, i never claimed to be a prudent, middle-of-the-road, moderate conservative, either. if i was, i'd probably be ok with voting for the status quo. right?