Living in Korea, I can tell you only 1% of women are naturally pretty, the rest is either average or did plastic surgery. About 40% of women over 18 did plastic surgery, especially eyes, nose and even jaws ... so repealing imo ....
deathtokoalas
actually, i believe this is accurate. there's a stigma in eastern asia right now regarding epicanthal folds, especially. facial surgery to "westernize" appearance is a near necessity for career advancement in a society dominated by a strange kind of inverted european supremacy and accompanying inferiority complex.
statistics regarding breast augmentation in certain parts of the united states are equally as alarming.
xxx
+deathtokoalas part right but part wrong. it's true that many koreans think western(caucasian) people are good looking but it's only about shape. not else. when humans are sexually attracted to opposite sex humans, it's not only about shape. the physical attraction of human appearance is about 4 senses. sight, touch, sound, smell. so the physical attraction is the shape, eyeballs, skin, body smell, voice. it's true than many koreans are attracted to caucasians' shape. but not their skin, not their eyeballs, not their voice, not their smell.
this beauty thing is totally subjective thing. it's not objective thing at all. most koreans prefer korean food than western food. not because korean food is better. it's just because of subjective preference. i'm a korean guy and most koreans guys i know prefer asian porn than caucasian porn. i'm not trying to be rude. i'm simply saying the reality. sorry for my bad english.
deathtokoalas
+xxx my understanding is that the drive behind the plastic surgery is not a desire to maximize sexual attraction but career ambition. it's apparently hard for a female to get a job in large parts of east asia without conforming to a westernized, hypersexualized norm.
oguns iron
+deathtokoalas not sure this is about white supremacy. If it's about typically european features, why aren't they all trying to have huge noses ? why aren't they all wearing clear contacts ? Round eyes exist among east-asians. They're just not that common.
I think people often misinterpret beauty trends in peoples from outside the european world. People will often say that the preference for light skinned women in africa is due to a desire for european looks. Is it ? Then why aren't african men clamoring for european style butts too ? lol
deathtokoalas
+oguns iron the answer is that they only know "white" through what's been sold to them. much as we only know "asian" through what's been sold to us. whites are presented to them in media as these perfect, aryan superpeople. a master race. and, it comes out rather starkly in the media they create for themselves, which consistently pushes this almost nazi mythology.
but, i mean, i don't think it's conscious white dominance. it's more of an inferiority issue than a dominance issue (although where there is one, there is the other). most westerners simply don't know that south korea spent decades after the armistice (1953) as an authoritarian american-controlled military dictatorship. this video itself glosses over that. south korea really wasn't organized very differently than north korea, it just had the typical western-backed nationalist/fascist dictator in place - like in egypt, or taiwan, or, previously, iraq. there was no freedom of expression in south korea between 1953 and 1988. as an occupying power, the united states did what occupying powers do, which was often (and sometimes still is) rather brutal. as the culture reconstructed itself after the lingering destruction of world war two into the korean war, it did so in an atmosphere where whites were everywhere dominant - in media, on the street, in the economy, etc. and, when you combine that reality with an inherently hierarchical culture, you get this weird inferiority complex.
i'm not making this stuff up, it's out there in print.
oguns iron
what i notice often around the world is that peoples will often want to imitate characteristics of other people who are closely related, but whose appearance is considered ideal. It doesnt always have to do with dominance, btw. The romans considered the germans savages but they did like the looks of their women. The indians have always praised white skin very very much, but you don't see them praising blond hair and blue eyes. If Indian beauty standards were all about trying to look at British as possible, they would be all about blond hair and other nordic looks but they aren't. Instead, north-ndian beauty standards are basically Iranian standards and north-india can be argue to belong to the wider persian civilization in significant ways.
A lot of very poorly educated people want to reduce everything to european influence. Yes it certainly had some influence but non-europeans weren't blank slates before a few centuries ago.
deathtokoalas
+oguns iron i don't think that you're understanding what white supremacy is. white supremacy is not about skin tone, it's about culture. speaking of white supremacy in east asia is consequently not a question of being victims of history, or denying agency. what we see in east asia is east asians going out of their way to participate in what they see as a superior culture. they want to join the master race, to discard what they've been taught to see as an inferior culture and become the superior, dominant one. it's more like a successful colonizing process.
Philip
only 1% of women are natural beauty? do not exaggerate or lie stupid. do you think any country or group like that exists in the world? i'll say more than 80% of women in Korea are 100% natural. Of course Korea has high rate of plastic surgery rate but most of them are actually not 'plastic' surgery because most of the surgery are just making double eyelids. very simple surgery. it is still true that there are relatively bit more women who get real 'plastic' surgery compared to United States or Japan, because of relatively cheap price but high level of medical&surgery skills.
deathtokoalas
the statistics (including the removal of epicanthal folds) are indeed somewhere around 40%, which is quite a bit higher than the still alarming statistics for breast augmentation in the united states (which is the proper comparison, taking cross-cultural concerns into consideration).
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deathtokoalas
+Hwan Hong Lee listen, i don't have any nationalistic sympathies, here. i'm a canadian of mixed caucasian and native american descent. i'm just stating the facts. and the numbers really are that high, if you'd care to look into it.
[the 1% part is a little more contentious]
imnotgaybut20is20
where did u pull thoses stats? from ur ass?
deathtokoalas
+imnotgaybut20is20 it's easily googleable. you'll get various numbers (1 in 5, 1 in 3, half), but 40% is in the range of published estimates.
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deathtokoalas
+Cassey Belle my understanding is that it's pretty openly discussed in korea, actually. there's no shame attached to it at all. it's just a tool to use for social advancement. if anything, there may be a stigma attached to not having surgery, kind of like there's a stigma attached to being overweight. "too lazy to get surgery", "too poor to afford surgery", etc.....
you have to remember this is east asia, which is really on the bleeding edge of everything cybernetic and transhumanist. the stigmas against technology that we have here, that ultimately greek cult of natural beauty, is foreign to their culture, which is going to be in favour of anything that will give you a competitive advantage to get ahead. there's no concept of individual creation in god's image, either. it's a more collectivist society, rooted in deeper concepts of conformity. beauty is less in the eye of the beholder, and more defined by adherence to culturally enforced norms.