when you create a society with winners and losers, and threreby create a lot of losers by design, those losers are going to socialize with each other, thereby nullifying their loserness.

in the end, the losers stick together.

so, you can go to parties nowadays with hundreds or thousands of losers at them.

so, think this through: you focus so much on this idea that socialism eliminates the drive to succeed and win. but, what we're seeing happen in front of us, as neo-liberalism moves into second and third generations, is that it's eliminated the stigma around losing, as people become desensitized to it as a normal fact of day-to-day life.

....because almost everybody loses, in this system, so nobody cares any more.

the liberals are supposed to do better than this