i don't see any legitimate economic purpose in supporting amnesty for adults. i would argue, mostly, that they should be deported.

regarding the kids, it's mostly not their fault, and some kind of humanitarian rather than economic logic may be appropriate.

but if you live far away please don't expect catholic and conservative south texas hispanics to vote for libertarian immigration policies. that makes no economic sense to them. they have the papers; they have preferred status and they want to maintain it. it's not about race and you'll find little to no racial solidarity between mexican nationals and mexican-americans. they will tend to aggressively compete with each other for scarce resources.

they're basically scabs.

the system allows it because the bourgeoisie lobbies for it, then they come up with piles of nonsense to confuse people with.

the solution is not in being mean to immigrants, it's in making sure that the labour code is enforced, which means you have to hire people legally and you have to pay them legal wages with legal benefits and you face consequences if you don't.

middle class americans are the biggest welfare bums on the planet. they don't come close to paying for their own roads, etc. the idea that taxes are being taking from them is hilarious; they are major recipients of tax dollars, not sources of revenue, and that tax revenue comes mostly from corporate taxation.

i was under the impression that essentially everybody understood that nowadays. 

wait.

are there still people that think that illegal immigrants are all on welfare and stealing money from workers? i thought that idea - which was a distraction created by the conservative media - disappeared from the discourse over 30 years ago.

i have not heard anybody say anything like that in decades.

needless to state, the data doesn't support it. to begin with, welfare essentially doesn't exist in the united states anymore and to the extent that it does it's illegal to get any kind of welfare money and be illegal at the same time. i'm certainly not opposed to giving illegal immigrants food stamps and i can't imagine many people would be.

the basis of the rational and working class opposition to undocumented immigration has always been that it gives the managerial class the opportunity to circumvent labour laws, not some kind of frustration about them stealing taxes, or something. poor people don't pay taxes, anywhere. the latter is an upper class viewpoint created as a complete distraction to take attention away from more legitimate concerns about bosses evading rules in the labour code. it's also something that fascist reactionaries like vladimir lenin used to attack legitimate forms of communism with. it's perhaps the most backwards, discredited political position that i'm aware of, to the point that i haven't heard anybody anywhere say anything like it in years and years.

it's a political position that essentially ceased to exist around 1985.