Monday, October 19, 2020

so, let's look at these molecules one by one.

pangamic acid

as per the previously posted pdf, pangamic acid is an ester of dmg and gluconic acid.


but, what was being sold in stores was just dmg, or dmg attached to something else.

the pdf mentions that this molecule is incredibly fragile and splits into it's two parts at the slightest stress. gluconic acid is just a glucose derivative. so, the chemical of interest is dmg.

dimethylglycine

this molecule appears to largely be transported to the liver upon ingestion and converted to glycine. in the process, it acts as a methyl donor, allowing energy-creating reactions to occur. so, the energy-boosting claims of dmg appear to be tied to the idea that it's a methyl donor.

it will then be converted back to dimethylglycine when utilized in certain ways, but your body stores it as glycine. 

so, there's two different ideas, here.

(1) i will measure glycine levels when i enter data for amino acids.
(2) i will concede that having lots of methyl donors will help your metabolism function, but there doesn't seem to be any specific reason why this methyl donor will help will much, on it's own, besides that. but, if you like 2 methyls with your glycine, why not try three instead?

so, i don't see any reason to key in on this specifically - not if i'm getting betaine, and not if i'm getting choline, both of which degrade to dmg over time.

claims that b15/b16 are not useful or the discoverer was perpetuating a hoax seem, then, to be somewhat overblown. it would, in truth, make sense to think that supplementing with dmg would give your body a dose of methyl donors, and this would indeed speed up your metabolism, as it converts it to glycine.

but, you may want to be careful with glycine poisoning, then, as your body builds up stores of it, as it burns through all of the meth.

and, i don't do meth. sorry.

there aren't a lot of dietary sources for dmg, anyways, so this is sort of a dead end, like b13 was. but, i've now all but decided to add some sunflower seeds to the pasta bowl for b5, and i'll take the dmg along with it, as a free & unmeasured bonus.

betaine

betaine is tmg - trimethylglycine. so, it's dmg with 50% more meth. even better, you can actually get it from a wide variety of foods. so, if you thought there was some value in consuming dmg, it's that much better with tmg.

but, here's the catch:

The conversion of choline to betaine is irreversible.

that is the kind of key point, here; in the context of homocysteine metabolism and methionine synthesis, choline is really largely just a source of betaine, which is where the reactions we need really take place. so, choline---->betaine---->dmg, but it's the betaine that undergoes the actual reaction, and we don't seem to convert the dmg back to betaine.

the dmg is then available as a methyl donor twice more before it's stored as glycine.

there's no need for me to write an essay of this sort in this space, but i will provide you with two diagrams.



that is from the lpi, and you can go to their site to read more.

the other is from the american journal of clinical nutrition:


that picture was taken from here:

so, you can see how these three molecules work together quite easily by observing these charts, and why the two important chemicals to be concerned about, in terms of diet, in the context of this reaction, are betaine and glycine, rather than dmg or choline - although we can make good use of both, and must get most of our betaine from choline due to dietary realities. we also need choline for acetylcholine.

that oup site also explains how betaine is uptaken and transported to the liver, where these metabolic reactions take place. so, in this context as a methyl donor, dietary betaine is as useful as dietary choline, and maybe even more efficient as it skips a step. 

so, wouldn't it be nice, then, if i could substitute betaine for choline in my liver and then save my choline for my brain? i'll just sit my liver down and explain it. easy, right?

i'm going to try to get a whole lot of betaine, at least, and hope my body figures it out.

so, yes - we will now have the return of b15, in the form of betaine, here seen as a precursor to dmg. and, i'm going to aim for 550 mg of it - to replace the choline mg for mg.

choline

the choline reaction i'm really interested in is the construction of acetylcholine, not homocysteine metabolism. if i stick with 550 mg, it hopefully just gets more of the stuff into my brain. the importance of choline is clear, and i should be able to meet the rdis.

so that's my analysis of this.

we're going to measure the following:

i) glycine, as an amino acid, with dietary amounts tbd
ii) betaine, as a dmg precursor and a fat soluble vitamin: 165+ mg per meal, with 660 mg total (if possible)
ii) choline, the same way as betaine

the next update will actually measure the food contents of betaine.

disclaimer:
i've gone to town with a few things - i'm not making up vitamins but rather filling things in. i mean, there's all these "missing vitamin names". what were they, exactly? it also gives me an excuse to work in a few things like choline that are hard to otherwise define as they are essential in some amount but not technically vitamins.

note that these numbers are scavenged and should be interpreted approximately. that's partly why i'm aiming to overshoot on most of it.

fruit bowl
(12:00)
pasta salad bowl
(20:00)
fried eggs
(4:00)
coffee
nec
tar
ine

1
129
g
ban
ana

1
136
g
str
awb
err
ies

5-6
150
g
avo
cdo

2*
75
g
kiwi
1
75
g
van
soy
milk

250
ml
che
rry
ice
crm

200
ml
nut
yst

1
med
tsp
3
g
frt
crl

55
g
grd
flax
seed

1
tbsp
7
g
sum red
pep
per
1
200
g
dur
um
wht
fet
55
g
+
h20
med
chd
chs
60
g
car
rot
1
110
g
hull
hemp
seed
1
tbsp
10 g
yog
urt
nut
yst
1
med
tsp
3
g
sum frd
egg
2*
70
g
med
chd
chs
30
g
marg
2
tsp
10
g
whl
wht
brd
w/
grm
+
flax
1 s
37
g
nut
yst
1
sml
tsp
2
g
jce
typ
grp
frt
250
ml
sum brw
cof
fee
700
ml
chc
soy
mlk
100
ml
sum total
raison
d'etre
b5,8 b5
b16
b5
b16
c
b3,4
b5,7
b8,9
f1,k
b5,8
c
k
a,d
b3,4
b5,7
b12
a
b5
b12
b13
b1,2
b3,4
b5,6
b7,9
b12
a,e
b3,5
b7,9
o-3
b16
b3,4
b9
c
b3,9 a
b12
b13
a
b3,9
b3
o-3
b13 b1,2
b3,4
b6,9
b12

a
b2,7
b12
a
b12
b13
d
o-3 b2,7
b12
c
caf
fei
ne

a
(fat sol)
(900 μg rae)
21.9
μg
4.08
μg
1.5
μg
10.5
μg
3
μg
10
%
13
%
0 15
%
0 42.5
r:38
c:4.5
314
μg
~
1.15
μg
30
%
918.5
μg
0 - 0 167
r:30
c:137
r:29
%
c:6.9
μg
15
%
10
%
0 0 - 55
r:54
c:1
0 4
%

4
r:4
c:0
268.5
r:126
c:142.5
b1
thiamin
(1.2 mg)
.044
mg
.042
mg
.036
mg
0.1
mg
.02025
mg
8
%
.0528
mg
~
155
%
20
%
.115
mg
217
u:34
.108
mg
~
46
%
.0174
mg
.0726
mg
.1275
mg
- ~
155
%
228
u:27
0.06
mg
.0087
mg
0 10.5
%
~
103
%
- 119
u: 5.5
0.1
mg
3
%
11
u:8
575
b2 [g, j]
riboflavin
(1.3 mg)
.035
mg
.099
mg
.033
mg
.195
mg
.01875
mg
25
%
.253
mg
~
144
%
24
%
.011
mg
242.5
u:49.5
.17
mg
~
22.5
%
.2568
mg
.0638
mg
.0285
mg
- ~
144
%
206.5
u:40
.684
mg
.1284
mg
0 3
%
~
96
%
- 161.5
u:62.5
.54
mg
10
%
51.5
u:41.5
662
b3
niacin
(16 mg)
1.45
mg
.904
mg
.579
mg
2.61
mg
.25575
mg
10
%
.1276
mg
~
65
%
36
%
.216
mg
149
n:38
f:111
1.958
mg
~
36
%
.0354
mg
1.0813
mg
0.92
mg
- ~
65
%
126
n:25
f:101
.114
mg
.0177
mg
0 6.5
%
~
43
%
- 50.5
n:1
f:49.5
1.36
mg
4
%
12.5
n:8.5
f:4
338
n:72.5
f:265
.5
b4*
adenine
(75 mg)
? 1.632
mg
0.75
mg
15.9
mg
~
.339
mg
19.25
mg
.9735
mg
49.38
mg
? ? 117.5 31.8
mg
2.2
mg
4.92
mg
0.77
mg
? - 49.38
mg
119 2.24
mg
2.46
mg
0 4.514
mg
32.92
mg
- 56
? 7.7
mg
10 302.5
b5
pantothenic
acid
(5 mg)
.239
mg
.454
mg
.1875
mg
2.08
mg
.13725
mg
15
%
.6391
mg
2.25
%
19
%
.069
mg
112
u:76
.634
mg
.23705
mg
.246
mg
.3003
mg
.056
mg
2.25
%
31
u:29
2.292
mg
0.123
mg
0 5
%
1.5
%
- 54.5
u:48
1.808
mg
6
%
42
u:36
239.5
b6
pyridoxine
(1.7 mg)
.032
mg
.499
mg
.0705
mg
.386
mg
.04725
mg
6
%
.0528
mg
~
133
%
25
%
.033
mg
230
u:66
.582
mg
.0781
mg
.0396
mg
.1518
mg
.06
mg

~
133
%
186.5
u:53.5
.255
mg
.0198
mg
0 3.5
%
~
88
%
- 107.5
u:16
~
0
2
%
2 526
b7 [h]
biotin
(35 μg)
? ~
3.212
μg
~
1.646
μg
5.4
μg
? ~
10.069
μg
2.86
μg
45
%
86
%
2.52
μg
204
u:73
6.6
μg
.22
μg
1.038
μg
5.5
μg
2.73
μg
- 45
%
91
u:46
~
58.33

μg
.519
μg
4.5474
μg
3
%
30
%
- 214
u:181
0 ~
11
%
11

520
b8*
inositol

(myo
or
lipid)
(1000 mg)
152.22
mg
0
mg
19.5
mg
69
mg
102
mg
20.09
mg
9.9
mg
14.85
mg
2.75
mg
13.65
mg
40 114
mg
~
41.23
mg
5.4
mg
13.2
mg
- 14.85
mg
19 12.6
mg
2.7
mg
~
16
mg
52.54
mg
9.9
mg
- 9 - - ~
0
68
b9
[m, b11, r]
folic acid
(400 μg dfe)
6.45
μg
27.2
μg
36
μg
122
μg
18.75
μg
n:6
f:0

%
5.5
μg

~
35.5
%
34
%
6.09
μg
131
n:61.5
f:69.5
92
μg
~
39
%
16.2
μg
20.9
μg
1.1
μg
- ~
35.5
%
107
n:32.5
f:74.5
70.5
μg
18.1
μg
0 5
%
~
23.5
%
- 48
n:24.5
f:23.5
3.5
%
2.5
%
6
n:6
f:0
292
n:124.5
f:167.5
b12 [t]
(cyano)
cobalamin
(2.4 μg) 
0 0 0 0 0 50
%
.858
μg
187.5
%
0 0 273
n:35.5
f:237.5
0 0 .66
μg
0 0 - 187.5
%
215
n:27.5
f:187.5
1.338
μg
.33
μg
0 0 125
%
- 194.5
n:69.5
f:125
0 20
%
20
n:0
f:20
702.5
n:132.5
f:570
b13*
orotic
acid
(10 mg)
- - - - - - ~
17
mg
- - - 170- - ~
37
mg
- - > - 370 - ~
18
mg
- - - - 180 - - - 720
b14*
taurine
(100 mg)
0 0 0 0 0 - 2.09
mg
0 0 - 6.5 0 0 0 0 - ~
5
mg
0 - 0 0 >0 0 0 0 - 0 >0 - -
b15*
betaine
(550 mg)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
b16*
choline
(fat sol)
(550 mg)
8
mg
4 1 4 1 11 5 1.5 1 1 29.5 2 2.5 2 1 - - 1.5 9 68 1 0 2 1.5 - 73.5 3 4.5 7.5 119.5
b20* [aka I]
l-carnitine
(25 mg)
- ~0 ~0 - ~0 ~0 5 - - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
c
(90 mg)
6.97 mg 34 74 25 117 4 0 0 25 ~0 279 350 0 0 7 0 - 0 357 0 0 0 0 0 100+ 0 0 0 736+
d
(fat sol)
(15 μg)
- 0 0 0 0 45 0 0 6 0 51 0 0 2 0 0 - 0 2 12 1 30 0 0 - 43 0 18 18 114
e
(fat sol)
(15 mg)
.993 2 1.5 16 10 0 2 0 36 0 67.5 13 1 1 2 7 - 0 24 9 .5 20 1.5 0 31 0 0 0 122.5
f1*
linoleic
acid
omega-6
(g)
(17 mg)
- .1086 .09 2.534 .187 1.5 .300 0 1.2 .414 6.3336 .0738 .540 .3462 .0828 2.87 - 0 3.9128 3.23 .1731 1.5 .5 0 - 5.4031 ~0 .8 .8 16.45
f2*
alpha
linolenic
acid
omega-3
(g)
(1.6 mg)
- .0638 .065 .165 .0319 .2 .200 0 .2 1.597 2.5227 .041 .024 .219 .0014 .93 - 0 1.2154 .228 .1095 .5 .75 0- 1.5875 ~0 .12 .12 5.45
f1:f2
ratio
- - - - - - - - - - 2.51- - - - - 2:1 - 3.22 - - - - - - 3.40 - - - 3.02
k
(fat sol)
(138 μg)
2.84 2 1 39 38 5 0 0 - - 85 10 1 1 12 0 - 0 24 9 .5 10 .5 0 - 20 0 2 2 131
q1*
coenzyme
q10 (mg)
(30 mg)
- .272 .075 - .0375 .625 .0308 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
q2*
pyrrolo
quinoline

 quinone
(mu-g)
- 3.536 - - 2.025 .063 .2101 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
s*
salicylic
acid
(mg)
- ~0 ~1 - ~
0.375
~0 ~0 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

* not really.

complete requirements

fat soluble:
- a: 120% of pre-formed + 100% of convertible rae, total daily. 30% + pre-formed per meal.
- d: 30% + per meal, 120% total
- e: 30% + per meal, 120% total
- k: 30% + per meal, should not exceed 100%/meal, >120% & <200% total

water soluble (bs & c):
- 300+% total w/ 100% for each meal
- b1: 125% w/ each meal
- b2: 131% w/ each meal
- b3: 125% w/ each meal, but not more than 200% in fortified sources.
- *b4 (adenine): 75 mg w/ each meal
- b5: 110% w/ each meal
- b6: 118% w/ each meal
- b7: 171% w/ each meal, with 857% total as a goal.
- *b8 (inositol): 300 mg w/each meal, 1200 mg total
- b9: 100% w/each meal, but not more than 400% from fortified sources, per day.
- b12: 250% w/each meal, including 30+% pre-formed w/each meal. 120% pre-formed per day.
- *b13 (orotic acid): 10 mg w/ each meal
- *b14 (taurine): 30 mg w/ each meal, 120 mg total
- *b15 (betaine): 165 mg w/ each meal, 660 mg total
- *b16 (choline): 30% + per meal, 120% total

incomplete requirements legend:
>300% without meeting 100%/meal
+75<=100% each meal    [=+200%<=300% total]
+50<=75% each meal   [=+100<=200% total] 
<=50% each meal    [<100% total]

specific brands used:
- natura vanilla soy milk (light)
- chapman's black cherry ice cream
- bulk barn nutritional yeast
- vector cereal

- black diamond brand medium cheddar cheese
- selection brand pasta [metro/food basics]
- bulk barn nutritional yeast

- black diamond brand medium cheddar cheese
- irrestibles brand olive canola oil [metro/food basics]
- dempster's whole grain double flax bread
- bulk barn nutritional yeast

- natura chocolate soy milk
- no specific brand or type of coffee

diet options:

daily:

 2 ) pasta salad bowl:
- yogurt is high in b5 and b8 and b12 and choline.
- one tbsp of imitation bacon bits (isoflavones, maybe)
- lemon/lime (probably for phytonutrients) 
- garlic cloves (probably for phytonutrients)
- oregano & pepper (probably for phytonutrients)
- red clover (if locatable or foragable, for phytoestrogens)
- alfafa?
- sunflower seeds are high in b5 & high in e, with small amounts of choline but high amounts of omega-6. it doesn't really add up here, but may be better in the pasta bowl (after i work out the yogurt). b15/dmg.
- rice bran is similar to sunflower in b5, but lower in omega-6 and lower in choline. also, less e. it would be better if i find myself strictly concerned about b5, but in the pasta bowl. this seems unlikely.
- dried whey is a little lower in both b5 & higher in choline, but also has a little b12 & has almost no fat. it's almost like the missing part of the yeast. i'm having trouble finding it though and don't think the isolate available at bulk barn is comparable. it seems to be largely seen as a waste product in yogurt production. it may be broadly useful across plates.

3) eggs:
- salami (45 g) (25% b1, 12% b3, 5% b5, 11.5% b6, 0% b9, 20% b12)
- rice (100 g) (60% b1, 35% b3, 4% b5, 6% b6, 69% b9)
- soy meat () <----only choice, really

- orange juice (1 cup) (15% b1, 4% b2, 5% b3, 5% b5, 5% b6, 19% b9, 207% c, added e?)
- grapefruit juice is high in inositol
- cranberry juice (unsweetened. need added c, has e)
- tomato juice

need: 6% b1, 75% b3, 45% b4, 65% b5, 15% b6, 25% b8, 55% b9, 60% b12, 10% k

==========

the list of everything i need to get.

added are green

13 vitamins:
1) A
2) B1 (thiamine)
3) B2 (riboflavin)
4) B3 (niacin)
5) B5 (pantothenic acid)
6) B6 (pyridoxine)

7) B7 (biotin)
8) B9 (folic acid)
9) B12 (cyano-cobolamin)
10)  C
11) D
12) E
13) K


15 amino acids:
1) histidine
2) isoleucine
3) leucine
4) lysine
5) methionine
6) phenylalanine
7) threonine
8) tryptophan
9) valine
10) arginine
11) cysteine
12) glycine
13) glutamine
14) proline
15) tyrosine
+ measure 6 non-essential

4 fatty acids:
1) linoleic acid
2) ala
3) dha
4) epa

23 minerals:
1) calcium
2) phosphorus
3) potassium
4) sulfur
5) sodium
6) chlorine
7) magnesium
8) iron
9) zinc
10) copper
11) manganese
12) iodine
13) selenium
14) molybdenum
15) chromium
16) fluoride
17) bromine
18) cobalt
19) tin
20) vanadium
21) silicon
22) boron
23) nickel
24) lead?

carotenoids (not including pro-vitamin a)
1) lutein
2) zeaxanthin
3) lycopene
4) phytofluene
5) phytoene
6) astaxanthin
7) capsanthin
8) canthaxanthin
9) cryptoxanthin

chlorophyll:
1) chlorophyll a
2) chlorophyll b

other molecules required for proper metabolic functions:
1) choline (cannot synthesize properly)
2) coQ10

3) lipoic acid
4) glutathione precursors
5) ergothioneine  (cannot synthesize)   <-----mushrooms
6) pyrroloquinoline quinone (PQQ) (cannot synthesize)   <-----kiwis
7) queuine  (cannot synthesize)    <-----cheese [made in stomach by bacteria]

8) taurine (cannot synthesize properly) <----cheese
9) betaine (more than a choline precursor?)
10) creatine? (avoidance? creatine increases muscle mass (which is bad.) but also improves brain function (which is good). careful.) 

glucose:
i'm more concerned about diabetes than weight gain, so...
the glycemic index is:
running total...

fiber:
i don't need many different types, i just need some. i'm not worrying about this.

& water

also, let's measure flavonoids:

anthocyanidins:
1) pelargonidin
2) delphinidin
3) cyanidin
4) malvinidin
5) peonidin
6) petunidin
7) rosinidin

flavonols:
1) isorhamnetin
2) kaempferol
3) myricetin
4) quercetin
5) fisetin
6) kaempferide

flavones:
1) luteolin
2) apigenin
3) techtochrysin
4) baicalein (to avoid!)
5) norwogonin
6) wogonin
7) nobiletin

flavanones:
1) eriodictyol
2) hesperetin
3) naringenin
4) hesperidin
5) isosakuranetin
6) pinocembrin
7) sterubin

isoflavones:
1) daidzein
2) genistein
3) glycitein
4) biochanin A
5) formononetin

i should try to measure some further phytoestrogens:
1) matairesinol
2) secoisolariciresinol
3) pinoresinol
4) lariciresinol
5) coumestrol

& finally, let's also measure:
1) saponins
2) ursolic acid (& precursors)
3) cafestol
4) resveratrol
5) ellagic acid
6) coumarin
7) tyrosol
8) hydroxytyrosol
9) oleocanthal
10) oleuropein
11) gingerol
12) phytic acid